03 Jul
Posted by Alex as Computers, Technology

And I thought my laptop’s CPU was burning.
I recently purchased an ASUS laptop (yeah, notebook is the new school term) and I’ve been writing about my reservations about running it on Vista. But I’m stuck with it since it came with the laptop.
Now the specs of the laptop is pretty decent for a “mobility” model. It runs on Core 2 Duo and packs 2GBs of RAM (with an upgrade). I really just use it for blogging, writing and some research work. Some of my friends say it’s such a waste of hardware especially if I don’t get to push it to its “full potential.” I can actually play games with this one given the specs and it even has a DirectX 10 compatible video card.
So I gave in to their prodding and decided to give it a spin. I installed a few 3D apps and a graphics-intensive game to try out how my laptop performs. And part of my little experiment was to make sure I don’t push it too hard. Increased CPU load means heat. And excessive heat is always bad news for your laptop’s lifespan. These babies have a much more complex cooling systems compared to desktops. I ran a CPU temperature monitor called Core Temp and had it running in the background while I loaded the game just to make.
The initial readout was a low 44°C for both cores which I thought was the advantage of having a dual-core processor. The thing is, when I fired up the game and got around to playing it for a good while I noticed that the cooling fan kicked in and warm air was flowing through the vents. I exited the game and checked the logs (Core Temp can keep temperature logs, too. Neat, huh?). To my horror, I saw a figure there that reads 70°C!!!
I’ve dealt with overheating problems before with my desktop and 70 degrees Celsius is supposed to be high enough to fry my old single-core P4 desktop. I tried different temperature monitors and confirmed that yes, during gameplay, my laptop’s CPU’s temperature spikes up to as high as 70°C. I panicked, thinking that it is in no way, normal.
I Googled far and wide to no avail. The closest thing I’ve got to temperature information about Intel Core 2 Duo processors was from Tom’s Hardware. And it only discussed Core 2 Duos for desktops. According to the Intel website and Core Temp, the TJunction (the maximum temperature at the junction between the processor die and the PCB it sits on) for my processor was 100°C. Sure, 70°C is still 30 degrees lower than that but that got me scared since 100°C is water’s boiling point and maxing the temp out isn’t a good thing at all. It’s like redlining your car, just a bit more and your engine will blow. The Tom’s Hardware forums post pegged 70°C as a reason to be alarmed since 75°C is the supposed red line for Core 2 Duos. In any case, I had my reservations since the post focused on desktop Core 2s and not mobile ones.
New model cooling systems prompts the fan to just kick in after a certain temperature is reached. And I’m positive that it started to blow hot air through the vents so that assures me it’s not a fan failure.
Since I considered myself as a valued customer, I checked the ASUS website and failed to find an answer there. So I just decided to contact their technical support and ask for the safe temperature ranges (for the CPU and the HDD) for my laptop. A good four hours after, I received an e-mail from one of ASUS’ tech support engineers telling me that:
The normal temperature for the HDD is 50~70 Celsius and [for the] CPU 60~80 Celsius.
My HDD temp readout is a constant 40°C so I guess that’s great for my case. As for the CPU, the increased load brought about by intense gaming only raised my temp smack dab in the middle of the safe range of 60-80°C with a readout of 70°C. So that answers the question.
Now I’ve been pondering about this on the level of theory. How come. One thing that I could think of is the fact that mobile processors do not have integrated heat spreaders so they’re built to stand a max TJunction of 100°C as opposed to a different thermal specification for desktops (which have integrated heat spreaders).
I’m no engineer so any thoughts on this one?
In any case, I’m now confident I could “safely” use my laptop even if it clocks 70°C for the CPU. I do have a 2-year warranty on this thing and I have proof that I’m still within reasonable use with that e-mail from an ASUS tech support engineer. And for good measure, I got rid of the game
31 Responses
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July 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 am
1[...] I wrote a lengthy piece about it over at LifeSpy. [...]
Asusowner
July 11th, 2007 at 4:18 am
2I too have an Asus laptop, failry new with a Core 2 Duo (T7200 2.0GHz) and the rest of the specs mentioned here (Ati Radeon 1700 Gfx and 2GB Ram). I found this very page while searching for someone who – just like me – was worried about their laptop melting. Just as this page starts out, there’s hardly anything out there (this was actually the only web page I found on specifically Asus laptops and overheating).
Anyways, my laptop also heats up quickly and I think to even higher temps than described. After intense gaming it reaches (and sometimes even passes) 90 C. Right now with a few tabs in firefox open and Wlan turned on (in other words typical everyday performance) the cpu-temp is just below 60 C according to CoreTemp and ~45 C according to SpeedFan (another temp measuring tool i found popular among IT-forums).
My question to you is: which performance level are you running in Power4Gear?
Alex
July 11th, 2007 at 5:30 am
3I’ve set it to Gaming since I tried playing games that time.
simon
July 12th, 2007 at 3:40 am
4I was similarly concerned with the temps of my asus laptop.
My machine runs particularly hot because I can’t stand fan noise. So I use NHC in windows to set the fans to spin at below “quiet office” speed, and then reboot into linux to work in silence. (The bios saves the fan settings until you cut the power entirely.) The fans are barely audible when the room is silent.
I decided it would be worth trying to re-grease the heat-sink/ cpu interface with a better thermal compound—Articsilver 5. The benefits were significant: it used to max out at about 90 under full load with the fans set to VERY low, and now rarely goes above 65.
The idle temps didn’t change that much—from about 55 to 50. It has continued to improve over the last few weeks as the thermal paste sets in and stabilises.
Why it was running so hot became obvious after I had dismantled the heat-pipe assembly to reveal the core. Thermal paste was literally CAKED on. It was perhaps 1.5mm thick, and had bleed over on to the chip casing.
The ATI chip is also under the heat-pipe assembly and was worse. The hardened thermal compound was the thickest I have ever seen—and what was most amazing was that between the heatsink and the chip there was an aluminum ATI sticker. Removing this and all the gack from the two cores was difficult: I had to cut the hardened, built up gack off the cores and heatsinks with a stanley knife and then clean the chip thoroughly with lab alcohol. I then applied an Very Thin Layer of AS-5 to both chips and put it all back together.
The assembly was messy and inefficient. I’m not sure if yours will be similarly bad, but in any case you will generally achieve lower temps with a good thermal interface like AS-5 applied very sparsely. Pulling the thing apart isn’t too hard and ought not void your warranty if you are careful. (I think those “warranty void if removed” stickers are now illegal in some countries. The reason is: you bought it, you ought to be able to see what’s inside, for instance, whether the hardware is genuine, etc.)
Alex
July 12th, 2007 at 4:16 am
5I don’t know if I am on the fortunate side. I only get 70 C tops. I would be really concerned if mine reached 90.
My warranty card says doing this will definitely void the warranty. Tough luck for me.
jeds
July 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
6my CPU (core 2 duo) reaches > 100 degrees centigrade while playing, I’m very worried about this but a desk fan helps blowing away some heat so it keeps ranging from 75 – 80+ while gaming. still, I’m worried for my laptop’s life span.
I suggest using NHC for measuring your CPU’s max heat throughput by doing system burn-in test.
Alex
July 13th, 2007 at 12:38 am
7That’s a real source of concern, jeds. Because of that heat concern I never really tried maxing out my notebooks capabilities. 100C is the TJunction for any Centrino Duo (Core 2 Duo) according to Intel.
I’ve been assured by the ASUS tech support guy that 60-80C is normal.
Seems like we’re not the only ones who are experiencing this heat issue. And Simon has figured out that it’s the shoddy greasing that’s the probable cause. Unfortunately for me, I’ve been told that doing this will void my 2 year warranty so I’m reluctant to poke around it. Once I get some more data on this, I’ll let you guys know.
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:21 am
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Joe
July 16th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
9yea, i just bought a new asus laptop a month ago and it gets very warm. I have the same issue with the warrenty. As long as I am not playing games, it stays very cool, and if I am mobile with linux running and the cpu clocking down to bare minimum, the battery almost gets hotter than my cpu. W/E, I will just make sure to play games on a hard surface with alot of airflow on the back, instead of my legs.
Alex
July 17th, 2007 at 12:23 am
10Hey, that’s why the mobile computing industry isn’t using “laptop” anymore to call your mobile computer. They prefer “notebooks” now. It’s a legal thing since these babies generates an awful amount of heat and it’s not recommended that you place it on your lap.
Still, ASUS hasn’t replied to me yet about the heat issue.
Chrisboff
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 am
11My HP Pavillion laptop gets quite hot when gaming it has a core 2 duo T5600 which maxes out at a temp of about 80 C when gaming. My Hard disk also gets quite hot when gaming – up to 65 C. I was worried too but it seems like most laptop brands have this problem.
Chrisboff
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 am
12Also I recommend raising your laptop a few centimeters from the surface when gaming to make sure there is lots of airflow underneath. You could even get a special platform with a built in fan to raise it and keep it cool.
Alex
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:31 pm
13It seems that we all share this heat issue. I do use my laptop raised. I use strips of craft foam to elevate it. Just make sure that the intake vents aren’t blocked. I also have a desk fan devoted solely and aimed at the laptop to ensure airflow.
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July 26th, 2007 at 4:38 am
14[...] some insurance is better than burning your laptop to a toast. But sadly for me, heat is just another problem. In any case, one other probably source of heat in your notebook is your battery. Keeping your [...]
nicm
July 29th, 2007 at 5:44 am
15t7200 tjunction is 100C. Google it. “Core Temp” can display delta to tjunction while you work/play. 70C is normal. I got freaked, too, the first time I saw that.
Castrensis
November 10th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
16When I first bought my laptop with the Core Duo 1.83 MHz processor I was concerned about overheating issues while gaming, so I picked up the Griffin Elevator (it can be purchased from Amazon) & even when running high demand applications CPU temp rarely exceeds 60C.
Keff
December 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
17That 60-80 for CPU are quite allright, but anyone who values his data shouldn’t let hdd go over 50*C, hdds are much more sensible to heat – mine is between 30-40*C and i am glad about it.
AndreasK
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 am
18I found a REAL and SIMPLE solution to my
HIGH-TEMPERATURE problems in Notebooks:
200°F / 93°C was reached when I really got nervous.
At first I thought, my new harddisk or even Linux
is to blame (my first Linux installation in years),
but then the same problem occured in Windows, too.
My “test” was simple, I compressed 4GB of files
(a copied XP installation) from an external drive
into a ZIP file on the built-in harddisk
- that heats up the harddisk AND the CPU.
The only way to lower the CPU temperature was to
decrease the CPU-speed to 25%/50% – but that also
decreased the fan-speed. Then I downloaded several
fan/CPU-manipulators, none of them was able to
decrease CPU-speed while increasing fan-speed.
When I read about someone who renewed the “toasted”
thermal compound between heatsink and processor,
I actually opened my notebook, and tryed to unscrew
everything. Fortunately, one screw refused!
I would have broken the waranty seal later…
Then the idea: Blow IN air!
From the outside, INTO the opened notebook bottom.
The fan started to turn with a rather beautiful sound
(turning backwards), and a HUGE amount of dust came
out. 20 months of usage pressed so much dust into the
grating, that the fan could not push out air anymore!
I repeated the above test.
63°C / 145°F is the maximum at which CPU temp stagnates now.
30 degrees Celsius less! The easiest “repair” of my life.
I guess I have just prolonged the life of my notebook.
Haaaappppyyy! I am a genius
So now, please repeat this test with your used notebook.
By how much can you decrease the temperature?
bye
Andreas
“normal” temperatures:
http://www.heatsink-guide.com/content.php?content=maxtemp.shtml
Measurement programs:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/Notebook-Hardware-Control.shtml
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/265-asus-pc-probe.html
http://www.google.de/search?q=temperature+cpu+fan+download
AndreasK
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 am
19Perhaps I should add:
*smile*
Before I blew in air, the computer was switched off
Mike
February 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
20I just bought an ASUS G1S laptop (T7500, 2.2GHz, 2GB RAM) 2 days ago and it was running hot so I tried a number of CPU temperature monitoring utilities and my CPU temperature stays between 69 C to 75 C at near idle while I am just looking at Google news website. I am concerned that it is too hot! Can anyone post their ASUS G1S CPU temperature at idle?
Mike
February 20th, 2008 at 1:02 am
21I found the issue with High idle CPU temperature. My power settings were not optimized. If you change your power settings/scheme, it will run at much lower frequency, voltage and temperature. Mine came down from 2.2GHz to 800MHz at idle, 1.2V to 0.85V and 69C to 57C.
Austin
April 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
22I have the 2.33 ghz core 2 duo in my Alienware m9750 overclocked to 2.56 ghz. Before the overclock i had max temps of about 60 degrees while gaming and now i have max’s of 70 – 80 degrees. Should i change the FSB back to a lower setting
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christophocles
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:56 pm
24I have an ASMobile Z84Jp, which is an ASUS barebones notebook, but I actually bought it from PowerNotebooks.com as the PowerPro A 2:38. Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste on the CPU was added for free. It is normally very cool and quiet, just like they promised it would be. I’ve had it for about a year, and I only notice the fan getting a bit noisier when I have CPU-intensive apps running.
I’ve recently started playing around with the Vista Sidebar, and I placed a CPU-activity monitor as well as a temperature gauge. I became alarmed when I noticed my CPU runs at a nominal 62*C under light load, and under a heavy load, it reaches closer to 75*C. I guess it’s normal – the comments here have eased my concern a bit.
The higher temp causes the fan to kick into high speed, but the noise is not terrible. It is not noticeable at all with some light music playing. As far as heat, there is a slight warmth coming from the side vents and the bottom of the case directly under the CPU. I would not hesitate to call this a laptop. It has never felt uncomfortably warm in my lap, unless I had shorts on and it sat directly on my bare legs in a non-air-conditioned room. Compared to other notebooks I have used, this one runs very cool to the touch.
Mark Walklin
August 31st, 2008 at 3:27 am
25I found that charging the battery in my HP DV6700 raises the temp. With a charged battery even with the charger plugged in, temps cool down to 44C.
Lee
October 31st, 2008 at 7:29 am
26I’ve had trouble with my laptop overheating, It’s just over 12 months old and like the post before I opened up the bottom and cleared the dust out. It has gone from 80-95 C to between 50-75 C at full load, I strongly suggest checking for clogged dust in the fan if your laptop is over 6 months old- I use ‘Notebook Hardware Control’ which monitors temps of my HD, CPU and GPU I’ve found it very helpful.
KOS
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:19 am
27I had issues my notebook as well and when I checked the temps initially using Speedfan, I was shocked to see it was running at 70C+ then I read somewhere that the normal temp was at 60-80C. Then when I installed NHC (Notebook Hardware Control), the temp of the CPU was displaying at 60C. So which one do I rely on now? SpeedFan or NHC???
LaptopNut
December 10th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
28For any Notebooks, I highly recommend the Zalman Notebook Cooler. It not only cools the laptop but it also allows you to use it on different surfaces and slightly elevates the laptop. I have noticed cooler idle temps with this one already. I use it with my Asus G1SN. I also use a Laptop cooling Mat from Newlink but this is not as effective.
chippies
December 19th, 2008 at 6:28 am
29Some interesting posts here. This was my experience with a Fujitsu Siemens laptop I finally discarded earlier this year. It was nearly 3 years old and was prone to crashing once every day or two. The CPU used to run in the 60 degrees Celsius plus range all the time. Whats interesting is that the graphics card (ATI Mobility Radeon 9200) was actually the one generating most of the crashes. When the GPU finally failed I got rid of the laptop. I now use a notebook cooler with my new notebook and that drops the temperatures of the CPU and GPU by about 10 and 5 degrees respectively, which certainly helps in the middle of summer. I’d definitely advise people to get one.
cheryl
January 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pm
30Hi
My Acer laptop was starting to run very hot especially the GPU so i have looked at cooling fans but not been impressed by them especially the position of fans.
Had a brain wave! i always have the cool bricks from a cool bag, if you know what i mean, and i placed 2 under the machine making sure the vents were not blocked. Result GPU went from running at 89 degrees to at the moment 5 or 10 minutes later 66 degrees and still dropping. The cpu was running at about 70 degrees and is now unbelievably 48 degrees and still dropping my machine is silent no fans running at all and more importantly running really well.
Now engineering hat on I need to design a cradle, with fans which are adjustable in position so to direct air where I need and a mounting below the fans which will let me secure the cool blocks below the fans so the air being blown into the machine is very cold.
Now question is there a temp which would be deemed as too low?
Joe Whitehead
June 14th, 2009 at 1:16 am
31I highly recommend no lower than about 20 degrees Centigrade. It really depends on if the CPU’s interior can be much higher than the surface. Try a little experiment with an amp on a cheap radio to see how long it’ll work with dry ice on it. Semiconductors become resistors at too low a temperature. Also, condensation of water vapor isn’t exactly a good idea inside the case.
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